SocialHub has been the most prominent place for cross-project collaboration for years.
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SocialHub has been the most prominent place for cross-project collaboration for years. This is where the FEP process was born, after all. I suspect that the need to create an account there was a major barrier to entry, but this is no longer the case as the forum supports ActivityPub.
Cross-project forums like SocialHub can then have a dedicated category for each software they know about
There is such category already: https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/c/software/14
It appears to be not federated, though.
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For the size of the group [working on federating long form articles], which as you say is not large
I wonder what they meant by this. There are lots of projects that support long form content.
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SocialHub has been the most prominent place for cross-project collaboration for years. This is where the FEP process was born, after all. I suspect that the need to create an account there was a major barrier to entry, but this is no longer the case as the forum supports ActivityPub.
Cross-project forums like SocialHub can then have a dedicated category for each software they know about
There is such category already: https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/c/software/14
It appears to be not federated, though.
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For the size of the group [working on federating long form articles], which as you say is not large
I wonder what they meant by this. There are lots of projects that support long form content.
silverpill1:SocialHub has been the most prominent place for cross-project collaboration for years
Indeed, but thanks to forum federation, we're reaching a point where we can maintain a unified source of truth without a central dev forum (which is a SPoF). In theory, any general-purpose fediverse dev portal could host all the same discussions. But I'm not sure how widely understood this is.
silverpill1:the need to create an account there was a major barrier to entry, but this is no longer the case as the forum supports ActivityPub.
I'd say that's more an aspiration than a reality. SH does have 2-way syncing with Discourse and NodeBB dev spaces, which is a great PoC. But do any of the other projects with their own dev forum (eg FunkWhale) have federation relationships with SH?
As we explored in the recent thread about the.socialmusic.network, there's lots of ways to plumb different forums together. Which means there's a bunch of experimentation to be done, and probably UX improvements to be made in all participating software, to make the various options easier to understand and use.
silverpill1:I wonder what they meant by this. There are lots of projects that support long form content.
You'd have to ask John to be sure. But I suspect that he's describing projects that can send and display formatted Articles; long form content with things like titles, summaries, headings, footnotes, and positioned images. Not just plaintext Notes without a character limit. Which shortens the list quite a bit.
John's comment might also reflect the fact that there are projects that do belong on that list, but which don't yet have devs in communication with the "longformers" group including John (Ghost), @pfefferle (WordPress), Matt (WriteFreely) and @devnull (NodeBB). All the more reason to get more of these discussions public, and defragmentated with federation.
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SocialHub has been the most prominent place for cross-project collaboration for years. This is where the FEP process was born, after all. I suspect that the need to create an account there was a major barrier to entry, but this is no longer the case as the forum supports ActivityPub.
Cross-project forums like SocialHub can then have a dedicated category for each software they know about
There is such category already: https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/c/software/14
It appears to be not federated, though.
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For the size of the group [working on federating long form articles], which as you say is not large
I wonder what they meant by this. There are lots of projects that support long form content.
[email protected] said in Against fragmentation: unifying dev discussions with forum federation:
> I wonder what they meant by this. There are lots of projects that support long form content.I think what [email protected] was trying to say was that given the relative size of the ActivityPub developer community, it's a little (or a lot) surprising that our developer discussions are as fractured as they are.
That's probably why I push so hard for discussions about fedi to take place on fedi.
I do get the appeal of smaller back channels, but they shouldn't be where the main business is conducted if possible...
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@julian @silverpill sorry I need a sec, busy girding my loins over here.
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@julian @silverpill @johnonolan
I think a significant part of it boils down to a failure of imagination. People who used to be active Twitter users are familiar with how you build communities on microblogging platforms and how to create clusters of like-minded people. that never seemed to really have happened here on fedi.
I'm also surprised that building a dev community on Lemmy never really seemed to have gained traction either. At this point theres better options, but still
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silverpill1:
SocialHub has been the most prominent place for cross-project collaboration for years
Indeed, but thanks to forum federation, we're reaching a point where we can maintain a unified source of truth without a central dev forum (which is a SPoF). In theory, any general-purpose fediverse dev portal could host all the same discussions. But I'm not sure how widely understood this is.
silverpill1:the need to create an account there was a major barrier to entry, but this is no longer the case as the forum supports ActivityPub.
I'd say that's more an aspiration than a reality. SH does have 2-way syncing with Discourse and NodeBB dev spaces, which is a great PoC. But do any of the other projects with their own dev forum (eg FunkWhale) have federation relationships with SH?
As we explored in the recent thread about the.socialmusic.network, there's lots of ways to plumb different forums together. Which means there's a bunch of experimentation to be done, and probably UX improvements to be made in all participating software, to make the various options easier to understand and use.
silverpill1:I wonder what they meant by this. There are lots of projects that support long form content.
You'd have to ask John to be sure. But I suspect that he's describing projects that can send and display formatted Articles; long form content with things like titles, summaries, headings, footnotes, and positioned images. Not just plaintext Notes without a character limit. Which shortens the list quite a bit.
John's comment might also reflect the fact that there are projects that do belong on that list, but which don't yet have devs in communication with the "longformers" group including John (Ghost), @pfefferle (WordPress), Matt (WriteFreely) and @devnull (NodeBB). All the more reason to get more of these discussions public, and defragmentated with federation.
But do any of the other projects with their own dev forum (eg FunkWhale) have federation relationships with SH?
I haven't seen any posts from them.
It is not necessary to have a forum, though. I post from my own server (which is not a forum) whenever possible, that works pretty well for conversations. The only missing feature is an ability to create new topics. Some forums support topic creation using @group mention (Lemmy, NodeBB? cc @julian), but not Discourse.
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That's probably why I push so hard for discussions about fedi to take place on fedi.
Yeah, I am 100% on board with this.
By the way, Ghost already uses Discourse (https://forum.ghost.org/). Enabling federation there (for specific categories) could help reduce fragmentation @johnonolan
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But do any of the other projects with their own dev forum (eg FunkWhale) have federation relationships with SH?
I haven't seen any posts from them.
It is not necessary to have a forum, though. I post from my own server (which is not a forum) whenever possible, that works pretty well for conversations. The only missing feature is an ability to create new topics. Some forums support topic creation using @group mention (Lemmy, NodeBB? cc @julian), but not Discourse.
[email protected] it should work, try mentioning the ActivityPub or testing ground category. Fingers crossed.
