As someone who has developed several #ActivityPub software implementations ([Fedify], [Hollo], [BotKit], and [Hackers' Pub]), I believe one of the most frustrating features to implement in the #fediverse is #custom_emoji.
-
@hongminhee @silverpill @ozoramore @julian @liaizon @tesaguri @thisismissem The server can register and store information in other languages and provide it based on the user's preferred language.
However, it is difficult to expect all custom emoji providers to fill in this information in multiple languages, so we will have to rely on machine translation to some extent.
@hongminhee @silverpill @ozoramore @julian @liaizon @tesaguri @thisismissem Permission for custom emoji has become a particular issue in recent years.
This calls for custom emoji to be treated as something that the creator retains the rights to and is available under various restrictions, rather than being provided in the public domain where each server can copy and use it.
Traditional custom emoji do not assume conditions of use, so information on these is necessary.
-
@hongminhee @silverpill @ozoramore @julian @liaizon @tesaguri @thisismissem Permission for custom emoji has become a particular issue in recent years.
This calls for custom emoji to be treated as something that the creator retains the rights to and is available under various restrictions, rather than being provided in the public domain where each server can copy and use it.
Traditional custom emoji do not assume conditions of use, so information on these is necessary.
@hongminhee @silverpill @ozoramore @julian @liaizon @tesaguri @thisismissem Fedibird has proposed and implemented several attributes that are considered necessary for conditions of use and licenses. However, when it comes to formulating specifications, the discussion is difficult to reach a consensus, and it is difficult to reach an agreement. Therefore, in addition to these, we have proposed an attribute called copyPermission.
-
@hongminhee @silverpill @ozoramore @julian @liaizon @tesaguri @thisismissem Fedibird has proposed and implemented several attributes that are considered necessary for conditions of use and licenses. However, when it comes to formulating specifications, the discussion is difficult to reach a consensus, and it is difficult to reach an agreement. Therefore, in addition to these, we have proposed an attribute called copyPermission.
@hongminhee @silverpill @ozoramore @julian @liaizon @tesaguri @thisismissem This takes the values allow, deny, and conditional, and provides only information on whether copying is allowed, whether copying is not allowed, and whether copying is allowed only if the conditions of use are confirmed and understood.
We propose that each server implementation should support at least this information as soon as possible, and promptly improve the current situation in which copying is being made against the wishes of custom emoji providers.
-
@hongminhee @silverpill @ozoramore @julian @liaizon @tesaguri @thisismissem This takes the values allow, deny, and conditional, and provides only information on whether copying is allowed, whether copying is not allowed, and whether copying is allowed only if the conditions of use are confirmed and understood.
We propose that each server implementation should support at least this information as soon as possible, and promptly improve the current situation in which copying is being made against the wishes of custom emoji providers.
@hongminhee @silverpill @ozoramore @julian @liaizon @tesaguri @thisismissem We've outlined some of the ideas and implementations we've had in Fedibird so far, as we work to improve support for custom emojis. We hope this will provide a foundation for development and discussion of new features.
-
@hongminhee @silverpill @ozoramore @julian @liaizon @tesaguri @thisismissem We've outlined some of the ideas and implementations we've had in Fedibird so far, as we work to improve support for custom emojis. We hope this will provide a foundation for development and discussion of new features.
@hongminhee @silverpill @ozoramore @julian @liaizon @tesaguri @thisismissem Additional information. Misskey includes free text regarding emoji permission in the object, and information is shared between Misskey users and Fedibird through the federation.
https://misskey.noellabo.jp/emojis/noeskey_misskey_license: {
freeText: ""
}The content is not machine-readable, so administrators must read it and make a judgment.
-
@hongminhee @silverpill @ozoramore @julian @liaizon @tesaguri @thisismissem Additional information. Misskey includes free text regarding emoji permission in the object, and information is shared between Misskey users and Fedibird through the federation.
https://misskey.noellabo.jp/emojis/noeskey_misskey_license: {
freeText: ""
}The content is not machine-readable, so administrators must read it and make a judgment.
@noellabo Very interesting, thank you!
What value goes to
altandtitleattributes when custom emoji is rendered? Is italternateName?@hongminhee @ozoramore @julian @liaizon @tesaguri @thisismissem
-
@noellabo Very interesting, thank you!
What value goes to
altandtitleattributes when custom emoji is rendered? Is italternateName?@hongminhee @ozoramore @julian @liaizon @tesaguri @thisismissem
@silverpill @hongminhee @ozoramore @julian @liaizon @tesaguri @thisismissem When rendering a custom emoji into HTML, it is rendered as <img ... alt=":shortcode:" title="alternateName">. alt is the shortcode, and is the source text. This is so that when a user selects and copies the body of the text, the source text can be obtained from the clipboard.
-
@silverpill @hongminhee @ozoramore @julian @liaizon @tesaguri @thisismissem When rendering a custom emoji into HTML, it is rendered as <img ... alt=":shortcode:" title="alternateName">. alt is the shortcode, and is the source text. This is so that when a user selects and copies the body of the text, the source text can be obtained from the clipboard.
@silverpill @hongminhee @ozoramore @julian @liaizon @tesaguri @thisismissem The same goes for mention anchor tags and URL anchor tags; even if they look like they omit the domain part, or if they clip a long URL, it is important to design them so that the source text can be obtained from the clipboard when copied.
(If you copy the body of mitra, the mention domain will be lost, and the meaning will change.)
-
@silverpill @julian @hongminhee ugh mastodon android squishes this. These are both Mastodon bugs as far as I am concerned. I think as long as you specify what you are making maximum compatibility with that seems OK but long emojos are INCREDIBLY popular on all the misskey and misskey adjacent fediverse areas. So I would argue that usage should be spelled out in the FEP as well.
@liaizon @julian @hongminhee I added a text explaining this additional requirement: https://codeberg.org/silverpill/feps/src/branch/main/9098/fep-9098.md#additional-requirements
Best practices for rendering custom emojis will go into different section (WIP).
-
@liaizon @julian @hongminhee I added a text explaining this additional requirement: https://codeberg.org/silverpill/feps/src/branch/main/9098/fep-9098.md#additional-requirements
Best practices for rendering custom emojis will go into different section (WIP).
I finally wrote the section about rendering and submitted the proposal to the FEP repository: https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/9098/fep-9098.md
-
I finally wrote the section about rendering and submitted the proposal to the FEP repository: https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/9098/fep-9098.md
@silverpill @julian @hongminhee the thing that I tried to point out before feels like you didnt really take into consideration yet. You state "This document is based on implementations of custom emojis in Pleroma, Mastodon, Misskey and Fedibird" but Misskeys implementation has always supported long emojo and infact that type of emojo seems to be one of the most popular types in the Japanese speaking fediverse. Personally I feel this should be mentioned in the FEP
-
@silverpill @julian @hongminhee the thing that I tried to point out before feels like you didnt really take into consideration yet. You state "This document is based on implementations of custom emojis in Pleroma, Mastodon, Misskey and Fedibird" but Misskeys implementation has always supported long emojo and infact that type of emojo seems to be one of the most popular types in the Japanese speaking fediverse. Personally I feel this should be mentioned in the FEP
@silverpill @julian @hongminhee I am really glad to see you write this up regarless, don't want to come across as negative.
-
@silverpill @julian @hongminhee I am really glad to see you write this up regarless, don't want to come across as negative.
[email protected] are the long emoji horizontal or vertical?
The former is easier to support (setting just a max height), but the latter has concerns re: line height.
